The most persuasive verses that are used to argue in favor of eternal damnation use the word aion spelled, alpha – iota – omega – nu, as eternal or for ever etc.
The Septuagint is the Old Testament translated from Hebrew to Greek. It was translated some 200 years before Jesus earthly ministry. Jesus and the Apostles apparently used the Septuagint when they quoted the Old Testament, so it must be an okay translation. It is also apparent that the word aiwn did not mean without end or for ever, even though the KJV did translate it that way.
Numerous passages using aion in the Septuagint
show clearly it cannot mean “never-ending.” Note these few:
♦ Jonah was in the fish forever [aiwnioi] until he left three days
later (Jon. 1:17; 2:6).
♦ Sodom’s fiery judgment is eternal [aiwniou] until God returns
them to their former state (Ez. 16:53-55; Ju. 7).
♦ A Moabite is forbidden to enter the Lord’s congregation forever
[aiwna] until the 10th generation (De. 23:3).
♦ Mountains are everlasting
[aiwniav] until they are scattered
(Hab. 3:6).
♦ A slave serves his master forever
[aiwna] until death ends
his servitude (Ex. 21:6). Or until the year of Jubile. Le 25:13
♦ The Mosaic covenant is everlasting
[aiwnion] until it vanishes
away (Le. 24:8; He. 8:7-13).
♦ The Aaronic priesthood is everlasting [aiwna] until the likeness
of Melchizedek arises (Ex. 40:15; Nu. 25:13; He. 7:14-22).
♦ These “stones” are to be a memorial forever[aiwnov] until (Jos. 4:7)?
Where are they now?
♦ The leprosy of Naaman shall cling forever [aiwna] until Gehazi’s death, or sooner… (2K. 5:27 2K 8:4-5 we find Gehazi in the presence of the King having a nice chat. Not likely if he was still white with leprosy).
♦ God dwells in Solomon’s temple forever [aiwnov] until it is destroyed
(2Ch. 7:16; 1K 8:13; 9:3).
♦ Animal sacrifices were to be offered forever [aiwna] until
ended by the work of Christ (2Ch. 2:4; He. 7:11-10:18).
♦ Circumcision was an everlasting [aiwnion] covenant until the
new covenant (Ge. 17:9-13; 1Co. 7:19; Ga. 5:6).
♦ Israel’s judgment lasts forever [aiwnov] until the Spirit is
poured out and God restores it (Is. 32:13-15).
The preceding list and most comments are from Gerry Beauchemin's book HOPE BEYOND HELL available free online at HopeBeyondHell.net I inserted the Septuagint words and added a bit to the contents so if you want to know exactly what Gerry said, you'll just have to go online and get his book...or if you know me, come to my house and ask for a hard copy, I have a few available for free.
Wednesday, September 30, 2009
Tuesday, September 29, 2009
Cool Verses posted by Jack
Isa 53:11 He shall see of the travail of his soul, and shall be satisfied:
Lu 19:10 For the Son of man is come to seek and to save that which was lost.
2Pe 3:9 The Lord is not slack concerning his promise, as some men count slackness; but is longsuffering to us-ward, not willing that any should perish, but that all should come to repentance.
1Ti 1:15 This is a faithful saying, and worthy of all acceptation, that Christ Jesus came into the world to save sinners; of whom I am chief.
Jo 4:42 …this is indeed the Christ, the Saviour of the world.
1Jo 4:14 And we have seen and do testify that the Father sent the Son to be the Saviour of the world.
Isa 57:16 For I will not contend for ever, neither will I be always wroth: for the spirit should fail before me, and the souls which I have made.
Ro 8:38 For I am persuaded, that neither death, nor life, nor angels, nor principalities, nor powers, nor things present, nor things to come,39 Nor height, nor depth, nor any other creature, shall be able to separate us from the love of God, which is in Christ Jesus our Lord.
1Co 13:8 Charity never faileth!
Ro 8:21 Because the creature itself also shall be delivered from the bondage of corruption into the glorious liberty of the children of God.
Ro 11:32 For God hath concluded them all in unbelief, that he might have mercy upon all.
Lu 2:10 And the angel said unto them, Fear not: for, behold, I bring you good tidings of great joy, which shall be to all people.
Lu 19:10 For the Son of man is come to seek and to save that which was lost.
2Pe 3:9 The Lord is not slack concerning his promise, as some men count slackness; but is longsuffering to us-ward, not willing that any should perish, but that all should come to repentance.
1Ti 1:15 This is a faithful saying, and worthy of all acceptation, that Christ Jesus came into the world to save sinners; of whom I am chief.
Jo 4:42 …this is indeed the Christ, the Saviour of the world.
1Jo 4:14 And we have seen and do testify that the Father sent the Son to be the Saviour of the world.
Isa 57:16 For I will not contend for ever, neither will I be always wroth: for the spirit should fail before me, and the souls which I have made.
Ro 8:38 For I am persuaded, that neither death, nor life, nor angels, nor principalities, nor powers, nor things present, nor things to come,39 Nor height, nor depth, nor any other creature, shall be able to separate us from the love of God, which is in Christ Jesus our Lord.
1Co 13:8 Charity never faileth!
Ro 8:21 Because the creature itself also shall be delivered from the bondage of corruption into the glorious liberty of the children of God.
Ro 11:32 For God hath concluded them all in unbelief, that he might have mercy upon all.
Lu 2:10 And the angel said unto them, Fear not: for, behold, I bring you good tidings of great joy, which shall be to all people.
Monday, September 28, 2009
Christians Metanoeite! by Jack D
Did you know that the Greek word for repent literally means to think differently! Christians, we need to "repent", that is, “think differently”.
Doesn’t God command us to think of others as better than ourselves. Php 2:3… in lowliness of mind let each esteem other better than themselves.
Didn’t Jesus save us when we were yet in our sins? Eph 2:3And (you) were by nature the children of wrath, even as others. 4 But God, …5 Even when we were dead in sins, hath quickened us together with Christ, (by grace ye are saved;)
How can those who die not knowing Jesus be better than someone who trusted Jesus in this life?
Easy! Because God is able to make them stand just like he made us believe in him. After all it is by grace you are saved and that NOT of yourself it IS the gift of God, and Ro 14:4 Who art thou that judgest another man's servant? to his own master he standeth or falleth. Yea, he shall be holden up: for God is able to make him stand. With man it is impossible, but with God all things are possible.
Doesn’t God command us to think of others as better than ourselves. Php 2:3… in lowliness of mind let each esteem other better than themselves.
Didn’t Jesus save us when we were yet in our sins? Eph 2:3And (you) were by nature the children of wrath, even as others. 4 But God, …5 Even when we were dead in sins, hath quickened us together with Christ, (by grace ye are saved;)
How can those who die not knowing Jesus be better than someone who trusted Jesus in this life?
Easy! Because God is able to make them stand just like he made us believe in him. After all it is by grace you are saved and that NOT of yourself it IS the gift of God, and Ro 14:4 Who art thou that judgest another man's servant? to his own master he standeth or falleth. Yea, he shall be holden up: for God is able to make him stand. With man it is impossible, but with God all things are possible.
Sunday, September 27, 2009
Reflection - by Thomas A
Reflect what it is the popular creed is, in fact, teaching - see its inconsistencies - the contradictions of Scripture, to which long usage has deadened its supporters. Christ "holding the keys of hell" and never opening; Christ "making all things new," and yet things and persons innumerable not renewed; the Good Shepherd "seeking till He finds," and yet never finding those precisely who need Him most; "no more pain," and yet pain for evermore; "no more curse," and yet hell echoing for ever with the curses of the lost; "tears wiped from every eye," and yet the lost for ever weeping; every creature which is in "heaven, and on the earth, and under the earth, and such as are on the sea, and all that are in them, saying, 'Blessing and glory and honor to God,"' and yet a number of creatures shut up for ever and ever in misery; "all made alive in Christ," and yet many sunk in hopeless, endless death.
Saturday, September 26, 2009
John 17:1 Quotes Jesus
Joh 17:1 These words spake Jesus, and lifted up his eyes to heaven, and said, Father, the hour is come; glorify thy Son, that thy Son also may glorify thee:
2 As thou hast given him power over all flesh, that he should give eternal life to as many as thou hast given him.
3 And this is life eternal, that they might know thee the only true God, and Jesus Christ, whom thou hast sent.
2 As thou hast given him power over all flesh, that he should give eternal life to as many as thou hast given him.
3 And this is life eternal, that they might know thee the only true God, and Jesus Christ, whom thou hast sent.
Friday, September 25, 2009
Valid Questions Deserving Non Evasive Answers - by Thomas A
I fully recognize, the honesty of my opponents; but it is something more than strange to see thoughtful men teaching that Christ "sees of the travail of His soul and is SATISFIED," while He surveys to all eternity even one immortal spirit for whom He died - one child of His Love in the grip of endless evil, or annihilated.
Permit me further - for I want again to protest against the dishonor done to Scripture by the popular creed - permit me to ask what the meaning is, on the popular view, of the oft-repeated promises of the New Testament assigning to Christ an universal empire? Is IT TRUE, that it is the Father's pleasure that in Christ all things, Eph. 1:10 - the original words are the widest possible - are to be summed up? Is it true that Christ has actually abolished death; nay, that He has been manifested for this very end, that He might destroy all the works of the devil? Or is it a mere dream of the Evangelist, when He tells us that God has given to Him all things, and that all things that the Father has given to Him shall come to Him? But if all this is actually written in Scripture, how can it be truly taught that sin and hell are endless? Can sin be everlasting, and yet the sin of the world be truly taken away by the Lamb of God? Can hell for ever prey on the lost and yet the whole creation be delivered into the glorious liberty of the children of God? Once again, let me say, that a fair answer is due to these questions, and not an answer which is, however honestly meant, in fact an evasion.
Permit me further - for I want again to protest against the dishonor done to Scripture by the popular creed - permit me to ask what the meaning is, on the popular view, of the oft-repeated promises of the New Testament assigning to Christ an universal empire? Is IT TRUE, that it is the Father's pleasure that in Christ all things, Eph. 1:10 - the original words are the widest possible - are to be summed up? Is it true that Christ has actually abolished death; nay, that He has been manifested for this very end, that He might destroy all the works of the devil? Or is it a mere dream of the Evangelist, when He tells us that God has given to Him all things, and that all things that the Father has given to Him shall come to Him? But if all this is actually written in Scripture, how can it be truly taught that sin and hell are endless? Can sin be everlasting, and yet the sin of the world be truly taken away by the Lamb of God? Can hell for ever prey on the lost and yet the whole creation be delivered into the glorious liberty of the children of God? Once again, let me say, that a fair answer is due to these questions, and not an answer which is, however honestly meant, in fact an evasion.
Thursday, September 24, 2009
Consider These Words - short exerpt from Christ Triumphant
"If but one soul were to remain in the power of the devil, death, or hell, to all endless eternity, then the devil, death, and hell would have something to boast of against God. Thus death would not be entirely swallowed up in victory, but always keep something of his sting, and hell would ever more be able to make a scorn of those who would say, 'O hell, where is, your victory?'"- The Everlasting Gospel -- Paul Seigvolck, 1753.
This being so, let me next ask, have you, who maintain the traditional creed, ever quietly thought over the terrible slight you unconsciously offer to the whole work of Christ, to His Incarnation and His Passion, by asserting the final loss of countless myriads of our race, or even of any soul for whom He died? He has come, we know, to save the world, He, very God of very God, but you proclaim in all your writings, in all your pulpits, that which is, in fact, His defeat. His Apostles announce, in language strong and clear, in words that still throb with life, His victory over death. You announce death's victory over Him, for hell filled to all eternity with its wailing millions is His defeat, nay, His utter defeat. Could you more effectually make light of His Atonement?
This being so, let me next ask, have you, who maintain the traditional creed, ever quietly thought over the terrible slight you unconsciously offer to the whole work of Christ, to His Incarnation and His Passion, by asserting the final loss of countless myriads of our race, or even of any soul for whom He died? He has come, we know, to save the world, He, very God of very God, but you proclaim in all your writings, in all your pulpits, that which is, in fact, His defeat. His Apostles announce, in language strong and clear, in words that still throb with life, His victory over death. You announce death's victory over Him, for hell filled to all eternity with its wailing millions is His defeat, nay, His utter defeat. Could you more effectually make light of His Atonement?
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