The following excerpt comes from Thomas Allin's Christ Triumphant...
S. Peter, too, speaks to the same effect. He tells of Christ's preaching the Gospel to the dead, who had been disobedient and died -- a story whose significance is the greatest possible, as indicating how behind the veil Christ works on to heal and to save even those who died in sin. He adds, that the Lord is not willing that any should perish. Is God's deliberate counsel -- such is the original word -- to come to nothing? Then, in the Epistle to the Hebrews, we have this same remarkable testimony, e.g., the assertion that all things are to be put under Christ. It is stated that His object in dying was to destroy the devil -- that once, at the conclusion of the ages, He has appeared to put away, i.e., abolish sin by His sacrifice of Himself. Can anyone explain how the abolition of sin can be consistent with maintaining evil in hell for ever? Thus, the traditional creed seems to stand hopelessly opposed to the teaching of Scripture. Does it not almost deny God Himself, because if we are to believe in God at all, there is no room for a defeated God. Therefore, either God really wills to save all men, and if so, He will assuredly accomplish this, or He does not so will. The first proposition involves the larger hope -- the second is mere Calvinism. I can see no rational alternative.
Tuesday, September 22, 2009
Monday, September 21, 2009
Israel is referred to as the Firstfruits
"FOR IF THE CASTING AWAY OF THEM BE THE RECONCILING OF THE WORLD,WHAT SHALL THE RECEIVING OF THEM BE, BUT LIFE FROM THE DEAD * * FOR IF THE FIRSTFRUITS BE HOLY, THE LUMP IS ALSO HOLY." Rom,. 11:15-16.
"AND SO ALL ISRAEL SHALL BE SAVED." Rom. 11:26.
"AND SO ALL ISRAEL SHALL BE SAVED." Rom. 11:26.
Friday, September 18, 2009
Knowing Jesus - The Key to Understanding
The key to understanding the bible is knowing the author. The better we know him, the better we can understand what His words are communicating. Our first goal, in studying the Word, is to get to know Jesus, the Living Word.
Joh 5:39 Search the scriptures; for in them ye think ye have eternal life: and they are they which testify of me.
If our first order of business is to come to a deep understanding of Jesus, we will find that He is the life of the world (Jn 6:51), the light of the world (Jn 8:12), agape love (1Jn 4:8), never changing (Mal 3:6), all powerful(Jer 32:27), his mercy endures as long as mercy is needed. He is tender, rejoices in the truth, He is truth, He is the way. He is patient, kind and cannot be provoked (1Cor 12). In Him is no darkness at all (1Jn 1:5). He is the creator of all and there is not greater love than the love he has for the world (Jn 15:13). He demonstrated perfect submission to our Heavenly Father for us to follow His example. (Php 2:5-10) etc. etc.
I’ve not begun to scratch the surface, but with knowing Jesus as our foundation, we then should use extreme caution when words of translators appear to contradict or conflict with what God’s word tells us about Himself. Since we know that God’s word was written to tell us about Himself primarily (Jn 5:39) therefore when the translators words teach us about a dark end, a changing attitude, a breach of mercy, a point of provocation that can’t be forgiven, a creatures will that prevails over God’s will, we certainly need to look carefully to find out why there is a discrepancy. For instance, when God, who cannot lie, says through his apostle John, He sent His son to be the savior of the world (1Jn 4:14), and a doctrine comes along that says He is only going to save a few, and the rest He’s going to torture forever. Or when He tells us through Paul Ro 5:18 that by the offense of one all are condemned; even so by the righteousness of one all are justified. And we find conflicting information we need to discern where the error lies. God does not contradict himself. Either the many clear statements which claim Jesus to be the Saviour of the World are incorrect, or the doctrine giving eternality to judgment is incorrect. The two ideas are mutually exclusive. You can’t have it both ways without claiming agnosticism, (I don’t know ism).
Something’s gotta give! I believe a careful examination of the concept of eternity when applied to God’s judgments uncovers a strong bias in the most popular English translations in favor of the doctrine of eternal damnation, that isn’t even found in any of the original language manuscripts available today. I am aware that to search this out takes a fair amount of effort, but there are many who have already done massive amounst of research who can help those who are interested know where to look, greatly reducing the amount of effort required. We also have powerful bible study tools that past generations did not have making the search for truth attainable to the average student of the Word. I am more than willing to help anyone who wants to search this out for themselves. I will even give away Bible software with which you can look at the original language words and their definitions with the click of a mouse.
Love in Christ – Jack D
Joh 5:39 Search the scriptures; for in them ye think ye have eternal life: and they are they which testify of me.
If our first order of business is to come to a deep understanding of Jesus, we will find that He is the life of the world (Jn 6:51), the light of the world (Jn 8:12), agape love (1Jn 4:8), never changing (Mal 3:6), all powerful(Jer 32:27), his mercy endures as long as mercy is needed. He is tender, rejoices in the truth, He is truth, He is the way. He is patient, kind and cannot be provoked (1Cor 12). In Him is no darkness at all (1Jn 1:5). He is the creator of all and there is not greater love than the love he has for the world (Jn 15:13). He demonstrated perfect submission to our Heavenly Father for us to follow His example. (Php 2:5-10) etc. etc.
I’ve not begun to scratch the surface, but with knowing Jesus as our foundation, we then should use extreme caution when words of translators appear to contradict or conflict with what God’s word tells us about Himself. Since we know that God’s word was written to tell us about Himself primarily (Jn 5:39) therefore when the translators words teach us about a dark end, a changing attitude, a breach of mercy, a point of provocation that can’t be forgiven, a creatures will that prevails over God’s will, we certainly need to look carefully to find out why there is a discrepancy. For instance, when God, who cannot lie, says through his apostle John, He sent His son to be the savior of the world (1Jn 4:14), and a doctrine comes along that says He is only going to save a few, and the rest He’s going to torture forever. Or when He tells us through Paul Ro 5:18 that by the offense of one all are condemned; even so by the righteousness of one all are justified. And we find conflicting information we need to discern where the error lies. God does not contradict himself. Either the many clear statements which claim Jesus to be the Saviour of the World are incorrect, or the doctrine giving eternality to judgment is incorrect. The two ideas are mutually exclusive. You can’t have it both ways without claiming agnosticism, (I don’t know ism).
Something’s gotta give! I believe a careful examination of the concept of eternity when applied to God’s judgments uncovers a strong bias in the most popular English translations in favor of the doctrine of eternal damnation, that isn’t even found in any of the original language manuscripts available today. I am aware that to search this out takes a fair amount of effort, but there are many who have already done massive amounst of research who can help those who are interested know where to look, greatly reducing the amount of effort required. We also have powerful bible study tools that past generations did not have making the search for truth attainable to the average student of the Word. I am more than willing to help anyone who wants to search this out for themselves. I will even give away Bible software with which you can look at the original language words and their definitions with the click of a mouse.
Love in Christ – Jack D
Wednesday, September 16, 2009
More Verses That Contradict The False Doctrine of Eternal Damnation
"AND THE LEAVES OF THE TREE WERE FOR THE HEALING OF THE NATIONS. AND THERE SHALL BE NO MORE CURSE" Rev.22:2-3.
"THE TIMES OF RESTITUTION OF ALL THINGS." Acts 3:21.
"AND HAVE HOPE THAT THERE SHALL BE A RESURRECTION * * BOTH OF THE JUST AND THE UNJUST." Acts 24:15.
"THE PROMISE THAT HE SHOULD BE THE HEIR OF THE WORLD * * TO ABRAHAM." Rom. 4:13.
"THEREFORE AS BY THE OFFENSE OF ONE, JUDGMENT CAME UPON ALL MEN TO CONDEMNATION; EVEN SO BY THE RIGHTEOUSNESS OF ONE THE FREE GIFT CAME UPON ALL MEN UNTO JUSTIFICATION OF LIFE." Rom. 5:16-18.
"BECAUSE THE CREATURE ITSELF ALSO SHALL BE DELIVERED FROM THE BONDAGE OF CORRUPTION INTO THE GLORIOUS LIBERTY OF THE CHILDREN OF GOD. FOR WE KNOW THAT THE WHOLE CREATION GROANS AND TRAVAILS IN PAIN TOGETHER UNTIL NOW. * * WAITING FOR THE ADOPTION, TO WIT, THE REDEMPTION OF OUR BODY." Rom. 8:21-22-23.
Posted by Jack D.
"THE TIMES OF RESTITUTION OF ALL THINGS." Acts 3:21.
"AND HAVE HOPE THAT THERE SHALL BE A RESURRECTION * * BOTH OF THE JUST AND THE UNJUST." Acts 24:15.
"THE PROMISE THAT HE SHOULD BE THE HEIR OF THE WORLD * * TO ABRAHAM." Rom. 4:13.
"THEREFORE AS BY THE OFFENSE OF ONE, JUDGMENT CAME UPON ALL MEN TO CONDEMNATION; EVEN SO BY THE RIGHTEOUSNESS OF ONE THE FREE GIFT CAME UPON ALL MEN UNTO JUSTIFICATION OF LIFE." Rom. 5:16-18.
"BECAUSE THE CREATURE ITSELF ALSO SHALL BE DELIVERED FROM THE BONDAGE OF CORRUPTION INTO THE GLORIOUS LIBERTY OF THE CHILDREN OF GOD. FOR WE KNOW THAT THE WHOLE CREATION GROANS AND TRAVAILS IN PAIN TOGETHER UNTIL NOW. * * WAITING FOR THE ADOPTION, TO WIT, THE REDEMPTION OF OUR BODY." Rom. 8:21-22-23.
Posted by Jack D.
True Story About a Bully - by Jack D.
Growing up in a middle class urban neighborhood in Norwalk, California I saw my fair share of bullies. Walking to school, one day when I was in kindergarten a sixth grade boy came up to me on his bike and said, “You’re chose!” He didn’t seem to be friendly, and I was confused. Others explained to me that he had chosen me to fight. All day long, I had the encounter playing in my head and all day I wondered what might become of the threat. Well I had barely gotten off school property when the bully found me again, and he wanted to fight. To be honest, I was very ashamed to be afraid of him, but I was afraid and I certainly didn’t want to try and fight him when I knew I couldn’t prevail. The emotions of it were too much and as he began hitting me, I began crying and tried to run away. Apparently this was enough for the sixth grader. All he apparently wanted was to establish his superiority. Having established it, he was decent enough to leave me alone and not torment me anymore.
Some people entertain the idea that God is going to bring his enemies in subjection by his superior power and might. That He will make his enemies bow their knee and profess Jesus to be Lord and then after coercing this expression of submission from them he will continue to cast them into the most horrid torment. Even after they are recorded as saying, "AND EVERY CREATURE WHICH IS IN HEAVEN, AND ON THE EARTH, AND UNDER THE EARTH, AND SUCH AS ARE IN THE SEA, AND ALL THAT ARE IN THEM, HEARD I SAYING BLESSING AND HONOUR, AND GLORY, AND POWER, BE UNTO HIM THAT SITS ON THE THRONE... Rev. 5:13. Regardless of their pleas for mercy, regardless of their change of attitude, regardless of the genuineness of of their submission, they then get brutally submerged in the most horrid agonies which are at this time beyond our comprehension. Why? Where is God’s love? My bully relented when I offered no resistance, but God will cast these who are infinitely weaker than Him into eternal horror, pain and torment right after they praise Him and submit to Him?
When I voice my opinion of the wrongness of such a false scenario, I am told, “You are judging God!” “You can’t judge God.”
1Co 2:15 But he that is spiritual judgeth all things…
1Th 5:21 Prove all things; hold fast that which is good.
I am NOT judging God when I point out the inconsistencies of the ideas put forth regarding “eternal” damnation. I AM judging whether or not this dogma is good. As I compare it with Scripture, it raises hundreds of apparent contradictions. As I compare it with Greek usage, it fails to faithfully express the ideas originally presented. As I compare it with early church history, it fails to match up with the overwhelming statements of the early church fathers. As I compare it with the biblical expression of the character of Christ and of God, it makes a mockery of Jesus own claims regarding his mission. It contradicts the love of God, the mercy of God, the unchangeableness of God and the just judgment of God. If the concept of eternal is removed from the judgments of God, then all these apparent contradictions go away. Hmmm.
Some people entertain the idea that God is going to bring his enemies in subjection by his superior power and might. That He will make his enemies bow their knee and profess Jesus to be Lord and then after coercing this expression of submission from them he will continue to cast them into the most horrid torment. Even after they are recorded as saying, "AND EVERY CREATURE WHICH IS IN HEAVEN, AND ON THE EARTH, AND UNDER THE EARTH, AND SUCH AS ARE IN THE SEA, AND ALL THAT ARE IN THEM, HEARD I SAYING BLESSING AND HONOUR, AND GLORY, AND POWER, BE UNTO HIM THAT SITS ON THE THRONE... Rev. 5:13. Regardless of their pleas for mercy, regardless of their change of attitude, regardless of the genuineness of of their submission, they then get brutally submerged in the most horrid agonies which are at this time beyond our comprehension. Why? Where is God’s love? My bully relented when I offered no resistance, but God will cast these who are infinitely weaker than Him into eternal horror, pain and torment right after they praise Him and submit to Him?
When I voice my opinion of the wrongness of such a false scenario, I am told, “You are judging God!” “You can’t judge God.”
1Co 2:15 But he that is spiritual judgeth all things…
1Th 5:21 Prove all things; hold fast that which is good.
I am NOT judging God when I point out the inconsistencies of the ideas put forth regarding “eternal” damnation. I AM judging whether or not this dogma is good. As I compare it with Scripture, it raises hundreds of apparent contradictions. As I compare it with Greek usage, it fails to faithfully express the ideas originally presented. As I compare it with early church history, it fails to match up with the overwhelming statements of the early church fathers. As I compare it with the biblical expression of the character of Christ and of God, it makes a mockery of Jesus own claims regarding his mission. It contradicts the love of God, the mercy of God, the unchangeableness of God and the just judgment of God. If the concept of eternal is removed from the judgments of God, then all these apparent contradictions go away. Hmmm.
Tuesday, September 15, 2009
Please Explain These Verses. - Jack D.
"THE SON OF GOD WAS MANIFESTED THAT HE MIGHT DESTROY THE WORKS OF THE DEVIL." 1Jn3:8
"THE FATHER SENT THE SON TO BE THE SAVIOR OF THE WORLD." 1John 4:14.
"FEAR NOT * * I HAVE THE KEYS OF HELL AND DEATH." Rev. 1:18.
"AND EVERY CREATURE WHICH IS IN HEAVEN, AND ON THE EARTH, AND UNDER THE EARTH, AND SUCH AS ARE IN THE SEA, AND ALL THAT ARE IN THEM, HEARD I SAYING BLESSING AND HONOUR, AND GLORY, AND POWER, BE UNTO HIM THAT SITS ON THE THRONE... Rev. 5:13.
"DEATH AND HELL WERE CAST INTO THE LAKE OF FIRE" Rev. 20:14.
"BEHOLD * * I MAKE ALL THINGS NEW." Rev. 21:5.
Just a few more verses contradicted by the concept of "Eternal" damnation!
"THE FATHER SENT THE SON TO BE THE SAVIOR OF THE WORLD." 1John 4:14.
"FEAR NOT * * I HAVE THE KEYS OF HELL AND DEATH." Rev. 1:18.
"AND EVERY CREATURE WHICH IS IN HEAVEN, AND ON THE EARTH, AND UNDER THE EARTH, AND SUCH AS ARE IN THE SEA, AND ALL THAT ARE IN THEM, HEARD I SAYING BLESSING AND HONOUR, AND GLORY, AND POWER, BE UNTO HIM THAT SITS ON THE THRONE... Rev. 5:13.
"DEATH AND HELL WERE CAST INTO THE LAKE OF FIRE" Rev. 20:14.
"BEHOLD * * I MAKE ALL THINGS NEW." Rev. 21:5.
Just a few more verses contradicted by the concept of "Eternal" damnation!
Monday, September 14, 2009
The Doctrine of Eternal Damnation Contradicts the Claims in the Gospels!
"FOR THE SON OF MAN IS COME TO SAVE THAT WHICH WAS LOST." S. Matt 18:11. (What are those who are damned if they aren’t lost?) Eternal damnation says He failed to save the lost.
"BUT I SAY UNTO YOU LOVE YOUR ENEMIES, DO GOOD TO THEM WHICH HATE YOU * * AND YOU SHALL BE THE CHILDREN OF THE HIGHEST." S. Luke vi. 27-35.
(Will not God do good to them that hate Him?) (Jesus forgave his enemies at the cross, but the eternal damnationists say that He who is unchanging is going to change from love and mercy to spite and wrath without mercy.)
"BUT WHEN A STRONGER THAN HE SHALL COME UPON HIM AND OVERCOME HIM, HE TAKES FROM HIM ALL HIS ARMOR, WHEREIN HE TRUSTED AND DIVIDES HIS SPOILS." S. Luke xi. 22; S. Matt. xii. 29. (The stronger one gets the human race! Who is that? Jesus or Satan?) Satan gets the most according to the popular dogma.
"WHAT MAN OF YOU HAVING AN HUNDRED SHEEP * * IF HE LOSE ONE OF THEM, DOES NOT LEAVE THE NINETY AND NINE * * AND GO AFTER THAT WHICH IS LOST UNTIL HE FIND IT ?" S. Luke xv. 4. (Maybe we care more for our sheep than Jesus does for lost humans.)
"THE SAME CAME * * THAT ALL MEN THROUGH HIM (CHRIST) MIGHT BELIEVE." S. John i. 7. (Well He hoped they would but apparently He misjudged. Most will never believe! It was a nice thought though.)
"BEHOLD THE LAMB OF GOD, WHICH TAKES AWAY THE SIN OF THE WORLD." S. John i. 29. (But allows most people to keep their sin cause they like to live in torment.)
"FOR GOD SENT HIS SON * * THAT THE WORLD THROUGH HIM MIGHT BE SAVED." S. John iii. 17. (I guess this plan didn’t work out?) (Why didn’t He say “that a few chosen out of the world might be saved? That would certainly fit the dogma of eternal damnation better.)
"THE CHRIST, THE SAVIOR OF THE WORLD." S. John iv. 42. (Well almost? You see most of the world has rejected the Salvation so they are going to burn forever.)
"(HE) WHICH GIVES LIFE UNTO THE WORLD" S John vi. 33. (Of course, they rejected it. Oh well.)
"THE FATHER LOVES THE SON, AND HAS GIVEN ALL THINGS INTO HIS HAND." S. John iii. 35.
"ALL THAT THE FATHER GIVES ME SHALL COME TO ME; * * AND THIS IS THE FATHER'S WILL * * THAT OF ALL WHICH HE HAS GIVEN ME * * I SHOULD LOSE NOTHING." S. John vi. 37-39. What does the eternal damnation believer say to this? Notice the key word here… should…He should lose nothing but obviously HE messed up!
"MY FLESH, WHICH I WILL GIVE FOR THE LIFE OF THE WORLD." S. John vi. 51.
(He gave the full price, but we are going to rip Him off and He only gets a small portion of what He purchased.) ( I guess He made a bad deal.) (For as many people as He’s actually getting He could have just paid an arm or something.)
"AND I, IF I BE LIFTED UP FROM THE EARTH, WILL DRAW ALL MEN UNTO ME." S.John xii. 32. (Wrong again!) If eternal damnation holds anyone, then he doesn’t draw all. He only attempts to draw all succeeding to get only some.
"FOR I CAME NOT TO JUDGE THE WORLD, BUT TO SAVE THE WORLD." S. John xii. 47. (But I changed my mind? I underestimated their stubbornness.)
"JESUS, KNOWING THAT THE FATHER HAD GIVEN ALL THINGS INTO HIS HANDS." S. John xiii. 3. (Dropped most of them according to the popular theory.)
"AS YOU GAVE HIM AUTHORITY OVER ALL FLESH. THAT WHATSOEVER YOU HAVE GIVEN HIM, TO THEM HE SHOULD GIVE ETERNAL LIFE." S. John xvii. 2.
Eternal damnationists! Tell me what happened?
"IT IS FINISHED." S. John xix. 30; (You mean as in ”I quit”?)
"AND HE IS THE PROPITIATION FOR OUR SINS; AND NOT FOR OURS ONLY, BUT ALSO FOR THE SINS OF THE WHOLE WORLD." 1 S. John ii. 2. (Apparently he created most of the people in the world to be too stupid to accept it, if only He could have made more people sensible enough to accept it. Well, of course it’s better that they be allowed to burn forever, than to make their will just soft enough to turn at His reproof. Bummer dude. Well we saved ones will be happy to warm ourselves by the fire of our stupid loved ones torment.
"HE WAS MANIFESTED TO TAKE AWAY SINS." 1 S. John iii. 5. Just some sins, mind you.
Joh 1:29 ¶ The next day John seeth Jesus coming unto him, and saith, Behold the Lamb of God, which taketh away the sin of the world. (What he meant was Behold the Lamb of God which taketh away the sin of part of the world, cause most of you vipers are going to reject him and you and your rebellion are gonna burn forever!
I welcome your comments if you believe in Eternal Damnation. Tell me how these verses are in harmony with your belief. Take them one at a time and explain how the Bible can make such bold claims that are contradicted by “Eternal” judgment.
Jack D.
"BUT I SAY UNTO YOU LOVE YOUR ENEMIES, DO GOOD TO THEM WHICH HATE YOU * * AND YOU SHALL BE THE CHILDREN OF THE HIGHEST." S. Luke vi. 27-35.
(Will not God do good to them that hate Him?) (Jesus forgave his enemies at the cross, but the eternal damnationists say that He who is unchanging is going to change from love and mercy to spite and wrath without mercy.)
"BUT WHEN A STRONGER THAN HE SHALL COME UPON HIM AND OVERCOME HIM, HE TAKES FROM HIM ALL HIS ARMOR, WHEREIN HE TRUSTED AND DIVIDES HIS SPOILS." S. Luke xi. 22; S. Matt. xii. 29. (The stronger one gets the human race! Who is that? Jesus or Satan?) Satan gets the most according to the popular dogma.
"WHAT MAN OF YOU HAVING AN HUNDRED SHEEP * * IF HE LOSE ONE OF THEM, DOES NOT LEAVE THE NINETY AND NINE * * AND GO AFTER THAT WHICH IS LOST UNTIL HE FIND IT ?" S. Luke xv. 4. (Maybe we care more for our sheep than Jesus does for lost humans.)
"THE SAME CAME * * THAT ALL MEN THROUGH HIM (CHRIST) MIGHT BELIEVE." S. John i. 7. (Well He hoped they would but apparently He misjudged. Most will never believe! It was a nice thought though.)
"BEHOLD THE LAMB OF GOD, WHICH TAKES AWAY THE SIN OF THE WORLD." S. John i. 29. (But allows most people to keep their sin cause they like to live in torment.)
"FOR GOD SENT HIS SON * * THAT THE WORLD THROUGH HIM MIGHT BE SAVED." S. John iii. 17. (I guess this plan didn’t work out?) (Why didn’t He say “that a few chosen out of the world might be saved? That would certainly fit the dogma of eternal damnation better.)
"THE CHRIST, THE SAVIOR OF THE WORLD." S. John iv. 42. (Well almost? You see most of the world has rejected the Salvation so they are going to burn forever.)
"(HE) WHICH GIVES LIFE UNTO THE WORLD" S John vi. 33. (Of course, they rejected it. Oh well.)
"THE FATHER LOVES THE SON, AND HAS GIVEN ALL THINGS INTO HIS HAND." S. John iii. 35.
"ALL THAT THE FATHER GIVES ME SHALL COME TO ME; * * AND THIS IS THE FATHER'S WILL * * THAT OF ALL WHICH HE HAS GIVEN ME * * I SHOULD LOSE NOTHING." S. John vi. 37-39. What does the eternal damnation believer say to this? Notice the key word here… should…He should lose nothing but obviously HE messed up!
"MY FLESH, WHICH I WILL GIVE FOR THE LIFE OF THE WORLD." S. John vi. 51.
(He gave the full price, but we are going to rip Him off and He only gets a small portion of what He purchased.) ( I guess He made a bad deal.) (For as many people as He’s actually getting He could have just paid an arm or something.)
"AND I, IF I BE LIFTED UP FROM THE EARTH, WILL DRAW ALL MEN UNTO ME." S.John xii. 32. (Wrong again!) If eternal damnation holds anyone, then he doesn’t draw all. He only attempts to draw all succeeding to get only some.
"FOR I CAME NOT TO JUDGE THE WORLD, BUT TO SAVE THE WORLD." S. John xii. 47. (But I changed my mind? I underestimated their stubbornness.)
"JESUS, KNOWING THAT THE FATHER HAD GIVEN ALL THINGS INTO HIS HANDS." S. John xiii. 3. (Dropped most of them according to the popular theory.)
"AS YOU GAVE HIM AUTHORITY OVER ALL FLESH. THAT WHATSOEVER YOU HAVE GIVEN HIM, TO THEM HE SHOULD GIVE ETERNAL LIFE." S. John xvii. 2.
Eternal damnationists! Tell me what happened?
"IT IS FINISHED." S. John xix. 30; (You mean as in ”I quit”?)
"AND HE IS THE PROPITIATION FOR OUR SINS; AND NOT FOR OURS ONLY, BUT ALSO FOR THE SINS OF THE WHOLE WORLD." 1 S. John ii. 2. (Apparently he created most of the people in the world to be too stupid to accept it, if only He could have made more people sensible enough to accept it. Well, of course it’s better that they be allowed to burn forever, than to make their will just soft enough to turn at His reproof. Bummer dude. Well we saved ones will be happy to warm ourselves by the fire of our stupid loved ones torment.
"HE WAS MANIFESTED TO TAKE AWAY SINS." 1 S. John iii. 5. Just some sins, mind you.
Joh 1:29 ¶ The next day John seeth Jesus coming unto him, and saith, Behold the Lamb of God, which taketh away the sin of the world. (What he meant was Behold the Lamb of God which taketh away the sin of part of the world, cause most of you vipers are going to reject him and you and your rebellion are gonna burn forever!
I welcome your comments if you believe in Eternal Damnation. Tell me how these verses are in harmony with your belief. Take them one at a time and explain how the Bible can make such bold claims that are contradicted by “Eternal” judgment.
Jack D.
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